‘Stupid, ahistorical hate’- what an absurd expression. If Islam and the evil that attends it were safely in a historical context, like the nastiness in Judaism, ie not practised for around 2,000 years, then my attitude to Islam would be pretty neutral. Problem is, sharia is alive and well, and wanted, by some Muslims in Britain. I’d dearly love Islam to be irrelevant.
]]>No, once more, an attempt by me to demonstrate the unreason that lies at the centre of your argument.
As we see here:
"However, I will eat my words, the next time I see some Jews in Golders Green stoning someone to death or putting a leper out of the camp!"
Your argument that ‘Muslims are bad’ should not rest on the basis of some shoddy essentialist description of Islam and its practice. Rather, it should be a historically located argument that does not say that Islam is itself bad, as this argument is undermined by both the fact that other religions have similarly brutal, but unpracticed, edicts in their holy books, and the fact that many Muslims are able to live without enacting these edicts, just as most Christians and Jews are able to do. Some Muslim societies do enact these edicts at this point in history. You ought to argue that the enaction of these edicts is to be opposed by people who hold our moral and ethical commitments – which themselves are the products of our own historical situation.
But what you DO argue is simple, stupid, ahistorical hate.
]]>Second, third generation British Muslims take this country for granted. They don’t realise that it is because it isn’t governed by Islam or some equally oppressive totalitarian system that it is relatively free and prosperous.
So what do they want to do? Well 60% of them want sharia in the UK.
Morons.
]]>Judaism has reformed and adapted to the present day. Islam has had no reformation at all. So the rules in the Koran and Hadith have never officially been repudiated and always, where Muslims gain power, have the potential to be implemented.
Western (Christian/Secular) countries have generally become more liberal as time has gone on. But with Islamic countries the opposite is true. Even Muslims living in Britain, with all the advantages that this tolerant, wealthy democracy confers, are often more reactionary than their parents/grandparents, who were at least grateful to be here.
It does indeed matter what Muslims believe and what Sharia law says, because, unless forcibly constrained, Muslims tend to put Sharia into practice, as they have been instructed. This is why secularism and democracy in Turkey, the only halfway tolerably Muslim country, has had to be enforced top down. This is why, with the secular dictator gone, sharia is once more breaking out in Iraq.
What the ancient Jewish laws said is quite literally irrelevant for the present day. What sharia says is all too relevant.
Once more, from the left, a ludicrous attempt at moral equivalence, which fails abysmally. However, I will eat my words, the next time I see some Jews in Golders Green stoning someone to death or putting a leper out of the camp!
Fools!
]]>This would seem to cast doubt on your perspective that all true Muslims need to believe in and obey the barbaric bits of the Koran (unless you believe there are no true Jews left).
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