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Comments on: An open letter to dickheads who go on and on about the fucking Ummah http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/an-open-letter-to-dickheads-who-go-on-and-on-about-the-fucking-ummah/ As fair-minded and non-partisan as Torquemada. Wed, 07 Mar 2012 07:16:20 +0000 hourly 1 By: Old Peculier http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/an-open-letter-to-dickheads-who-go-on-and-on-about-the-fucking-ummah/#comment-6614 Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:13:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1265#comment-6614 The Koran, which only JohnInLondon and myself appear to have read, is very explicit on the superiority of Muslims over non-Muslims and on the supremacy of the Ummah, or global Muslim brotherhood.

‘You are the best of people, evolved for mankind’ Sura 3 vs 110

On Muslim brotherhood, the Koranic doctrine, not the political movement:

The Believers are but a single Brotherhood: So make peace and reconciliation between your two (contending) brothers; and fear Allah, that ye may receive Mercy. Sura 49:10

And hold fast, all together, by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves; and remember with gratitude Allah’s favour on you; for ye were enemies and He joined your hearts in love, so that by His Grace, ye became brethren; and ye were on the brink of the pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus doth Allah make His Signs clear to you: That ye may be guided. Sura 3:103-104

Muslims are instructed to feel each other’s pain anywhere in the world. Fine and dandy, except that the basis of Western civilisation is the nation state, not the global ummah.

They are also instructed not to trust the unbelievers:

Yea, to those who take for friends unbelievers rather than believers: is it honour they seek among them? Nay,- all honour is with Allah.
O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves? Sura 4:139, 144 (Yusuf Ali’s Translation)

O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust. Sura 5:51

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By: john b http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/an-open-letter-to-dickheads-who-go-on-and-on-about-the-fucking-ummah/#comment-6489 Thu, 21 Jul 2005 04:03:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1265#comment-6489 No, because my RSS feed isn’t good enough (summaries only, rather than full content, and no hyperlinks).

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By: Matthew http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/an-open-letter-to-dickheads-who-go-on-and-on-about-the-fucking-ummah/#comment-6488 Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:21:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1265#comment-6488 "My employers’ new web-filter has blocked this site as "offensive""

Can’t you just use bloglines?

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By: john b http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/an-open-letter-to-dickheads-who-go-on-and-on-about-the-fucking-ummah/#comment-6487 Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:18:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1265#comment-6487 I’m almost tempted to run a rude-word-censored mirror site, to further subvert the West’s economic productivity…

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By: Squander Two http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/an-open-letter-to-dickheads-who-go-on-and-on-about-the-fucking-ummah/#comment-6482 Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:26:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1265#comment-6482 Some Muslims do have dual loyalties; others don’t. This is normal and uncontroversial. The problem is what those who do have dual loyalties are loyal to. Even if a British Jew does put loyalty to Israel above loyalty to Britain, so what? Israel has no plans to kill Britons. But loyalty to Islam can be a problem when Muslim clerics start calling for heads to roll. Just ask Salman Rushdie.
My employers’ new web-filter has blocked this site as "offensive". I suspect it was offensive to them how much they were paying me to argue on here.

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By: Meaders http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/an-open-letter-to-dickheads-who-go-on-and-on-about-the-fucking-ummah/#comment-6447 Wed, 20 Jul 2005 06:31:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1265#comment-6447 "The central theme of the Old Testament is Live by the law of your one God. The central theme of the New testament is Love thy Neighbour."

Not as interpreted by St Paul, it isn’t. The most important parts of the Bible, if you want to understand Christianity, are the epistles immediately following the four gospels. Similarly, the quickest way to approach an understanding of Islam is to read interpretations of the Koran.

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By: Euan Gray http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/an-open-letter-to-dickheads-who-go-on-and-on-about-the-fucking-ummah/#comment-6413 Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:15:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1265#comment-6413 I think it’s really axiomatic that when someone resorts to insult and personal remarks he is either (i) losing the argument or (ii) John B making a valid and succinct comment on a figure of notoriety. Since I don’t think JiL is John B, the conclusion is patent.

I will try one last time, not because I seriously expect an accurate answer or even a civil retraction, but because I allegedly have a sense of humour.

If one visited Salem, Mass. in the 17th century, one might indeed get the "general impression" that one of the main themes of Christianity was burning witches. Now, of course, they have central heating and cable TV, so there is little need to continue the practice.

If one visits today the charming surrounds of the Westboro Baptist Church, one might take away the general impression that murdering homosexuals is a sure route to divine blessing, coupled with the slightly odd feeling that the omnipotent God made a mistake creating some 2% of the male population and really needs the hand of man to put things right, especially if that hand is holding a pistol and belongs to a guy with a small penis and unresolved feelings of lust towards his strapping young gardener.

Such things are in the Bible. Well, probably not the strapping gardener or the cable TV, but the rest of it is. In these communities, each is seen as one of, if not the, most important part of the Bible. Is this representative of Christianity as a whole? No, it isn’t.

So, even if the Koran does explicitly say Islamic political organisation is superior, does it necessarily follow that all Moslems think this is true? No, it doesn’t.

Get the point? You can’t generalise like this.

None of my best friends are gay, unfashionably enough, but I have no objection to gay people. I do, however, know and have worked with several Moslems from different parts of the world, and I can honestly say that I have never got from any of them the slightest impression that they want to destroy the west and restore the Caliphate. Some Moslems doubtless do, just as some Christians doubtless want to kill witches and homosexuals. In neither case are they representative.

The problem is NOT Islam, it is a small group of fucked-up religious loonies who use Islamic teaching as a justification for their social and political agenda.

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By: N.I.B. http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/an-open-letter-to-dickheads-who-go-on-and-on-about-the-fucking-ummah/#comment-6406 Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:39:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1265#comment-6406 …you are crazy.

LIBEL! LIBEL!

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By: JohninLondon http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/an-open-letter-to-dickheads-who-go-on-and-on-about-the-fucking-ummah/#comment-6404 Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:30:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1265#comment-6404 Your opinion, Larry, plus 50 cents might buy a cup of coffee. Might.

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By: JohninLondon http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/an-open-letter-to-dickheads-who-go-on-and-on-about-the-fucking-ummah/#comment-6402 Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:29:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1265#comment-6402 Euan
Your post is crap and you know it. The central theme of the Old Testament is Live by the law of your one God. The central theme of the New testament is Love thy Neighbour.

If you suggest that main themes are to burn witches and murder homosexuals you are crazy.

Retract ? Piss off.

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