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Comments on: Fuck you, David Blunkett http://sbbs.johnband.org/2004/10/fuck-you-david-blunkett/ As fair-minded and non-partisan as Torquemada. Wed, 07 Mar 2012 07:16:20 +0000 hourly 1 By: N.I.B. http://sbbs.johnband.org/2004/10/fuck-you-david-blunkett/#comment-3957 Wed, 25 May 2005 03:47:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=555#comment-3957 Can you even read the paragraph after that one (it’s quite short!)

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By: Dave http://sbbs.johnband.org/2004/10/fuck-you-david-blunkett/#comment-3954 Wed, 25 May 2005 03:23:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=555#comment-3954 "Relatedly, I’d like to ban the phrase ‘to take the law into one’s own hands’. No, you didn’t ‘take the law into your own hands’, you committed a crime because you judged your own case to be more important than the law itself, you arrogant selfish scumbag. In my world, vigilanteism would be the most strictly punished crime, and anyone who romanticised it would get their legs broken. "
OK, so who is going to do the leg breaking? Can you even spell ‘irony’?

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By: Ista http://sbbs.johnband.org/2004/10/fuck-you-david-blunkett/#comment-965 Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:51:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=555#comment-965 There’s a good article about this today in The Times: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,482-1330279,00.html
It discusses the current ‘similar fact’ theory which shows how completely unnecessary- and for that reason, how worrying – this new reform is.

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By: Michael http://sbbs.johnband.org/2004/10/fuck-you-david-blunkett/#comment-958 Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:19:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=555#comment-958 When I did jury service, we ended up finding the guy guilty. Immediately afterwards, we discovered his previous track record of similar crimes, and felt relieved that we’d almost certainly got it right – because it wasn’t a 100% open-and-shut case, and the whole experience really rammed home how "beyond reasonable doubt" doesn’t actually mean "totally and absolutely certain".

But what would have happened if we’d been told his track record in advance? Well, the verdict would still have been the same, no question – but I’m willing to bet we’d have spent a lot less time than four-and-a-half hours discussing it. But it was precisely because we took that time, painstakingly sifting through the evidence and matching it to multiple witness testimonies, that we could say with a clear conscience that we sincerely believed we’d got it right in <I>this particular case</I>.

And that’s the only thing that matters. True, we’d have put away a pretty unpleasant character come what may, but, as Reinder says, that’s not good enough: the victims of this specific case needed justice done too. And I’m not convinced that this would have been the case under these new proposals.

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By: Reinder Dijkhuis http://sbbs.johnband.org/2004/10/fuck-you-david-blunkett/#comment-950 Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:52:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=555#comment-950 I’m thinking of a recent case in the Netherlands where two small children were molested and one was murdered. The person who found the two turned out to have a prior sex offense conviction and was quickly convicted and put away for a long time, even though he didn’t match the description given by the surviving victim. Then 18 months later a man who did match the description turned himself in. I’d google for reports if I could think of a specific name or place that was mentioned at that time.

Anyway, the true culprit walked free for 18 months because the law and the judiciary pounced on a witness’s prior record. Yay for keeping our children safe, etc. etc. Lucky we don’t have the death penalty here.

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By: Harry Hutton http://sbbs.johnband.org/2004/10/fuck-you-david-blunkett/#comment-944 Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:11:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=555#comment-944 You should join the Guardian Angels. We could use a guy like you.

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By: Ista http://sbbs.johnband.org/2004/10/fuck-you-david-blunkett/#comment-942 Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:35:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=555#comment-942 I can’t believe they’ve actually done this (well, I’ll feign shock). They should give everyone a black sticker on a report card for each conviction and have people hand it in to juries at the start of their trials, to save time. Innocent till proven guilty except where there’s a presumption of guilt.

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By: Will http://sbbs.johnband.org/2004/10/fuck-you-david-blunkett/#comment-941 Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:11:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=555#comment-941 Good post. I’m laughing like a girl now.

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