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Comments on: Funny what you miss http://sbbs.johnband.org/2004/08/funny-what-you-miss/ As fair-minded and non-partisan as Torquemada. Wed, 07 Mar 2012 07:16:20 +0000 hourly 1 By: Chris Lightfoot http://sbbs.johnband.org/2004/08/funny-what-you-miss/#comment-322 Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:30:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=330#comment-322 http://www.hoovers.com/warner-music/–ID__103153–/free-co-factsheet.xhtml was the source of my information. $4.2 billion in sales in 2002, and about 5,000 employees. Scaling from the EMI figures gives $600 million profit, very close to my estimate. It’s nice that two different methods give the same answer!

I hadn’t realised that music publishing was so profitable, by comparison to record sales.

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By: Backword Dave http://sbbs.johnband.org/2004/08/funny-what-you-miss/#comment-321 Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:38:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=330#comment-321 "I don’t know if they’re any good at picking those."

Well Decca rejecting the Beatles, but picking the Stones (in desperation) speaks for itself. The mistake turned into the better investment, but that wasn’t intentional.

I’d assumed that CD sales had declined recently because CD owners had bought the CD versions of their favourite old albums by 2000. Roughly. most music buying is done by teenagers and young adults: after a point they slow down, if not stop. There was a craze among (relatively) affluent adults for re-buying vinyl albums as CDs, but that had to die out.

I don’t listen to Radio 3 enough. ("Late Junction" broadcasts just about the only music which interests me.) So the internet is where I get news of interesting new music from.

Record companies are being incredibly daft here. The teenage population (in the UK) is falling: ergo record sales fall. But they’re blinkered and are looking for someone to blame.

The only thing people like Simon Cowell had to offer their tame bands was a record deal. If you can record in your garage, and push your music on the net, you can tell these public schoolboys to get stuffed.

Internet 1, Cowell/Waterman and the rest of EMI etc, 0.

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By: john b http://sbbs.johnband.org/2004/08/funny-what-you-miss/#comment-320 Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:39:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=330#comment-320 Damn my lack of prior research. I think you’re absolutely right on earnings multiples (for slightly wrong reasons, which I’ll pedantically talk about below); my point was more that I’d intuitively expect earnings to be higher given the content libraries that WMG has.

WMG, being private, doesn’t seem to publish detailed figures (there are probably some archived ones on the Time Warner site, which I can’t face searching through).

However, similar-but-slightly-smaller EMI made £300m (close to your WB estimate) last year on sales of £2.1bn (again, not far off WMG) – and only £147m of that was on recorded music (with a fairly poor 8% margin). Most of the rest of the profit was in music publishing, which has a margin of around 25% on revenues of only around £400m.

They don’t break down recorded music sales between new and archive content… but my hunch is that new releases provide a lot of volume, giving manufacturing and distribution economies of scale, but don’t directly make a profit (there are an awful lot of overpaid middlemen involved, and an awful lot of new deals and new records that flop). Meanwhile, with new releases covering the fixed costs, the back catalogue is the profit centre with margins approaching the publishing business (which is now mostly back catalogue focused).

So if I were running a record company, I’d look at getting out of the new content business altogether, and using Internet distribution to cut the costs on releasing archive material (while possibly also licensing old content to other companies for CD release). However, I suspect the combination of P2P and iTunes may have made this plan unworkable…

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By: Chris Lightfoot http://sbbs.johnband.org/2004/08/funny-what-you-miss/#comment-319 Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:35:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=330#comment-319 WMG makes sales of about $4 billion per year; assume that about a fifth of that ($3 of a full-price CD) goes back to mission control, and their major cost is their staff, then they’re probably making $590 million before tax. $2 billion begins to look like a good deal. That said, presumably a lot of their revenue comes from new acts, and I don’t know if they’re any good at picking those.

Most of the reason for declining record sales in the US, by the way, is simply that there are fewer new releases in any given year — down 25% or so from highs in the mid-1990s. Since most fans buy only one copy of a given CD, this naturally leads to a ~25% drop in sales.

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