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Comments on: Why I’m not left-wing http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/08/why-im-not-left-wing/ As fair-minded and non-partisan as Torquemada. Wed, 07 Mar 2012 07:16:20 +0000 hourly 1 By: Oscar Wildebeest http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/08/why-im-not-left-wing/#comment-7790 Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:57:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1337#comment-7790 blogging about cricket</a> these days.]]> I think you’ve just lost all your friends, John. This is why I’m only blogging about cricket these days.

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By: Sarah http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/08/why-im-not-left-wing/#comment-7763 Tue, 16 Aug 2005 00:10:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1337#comment-7763 Eugh, all this case tells me is that the UK’s union legislation stinks and needs reforming. The ban on secondary picketing is ludicrous from the point of view of any unionist: if you care about labour relations or workers then you don’t cross a picket line. You don’t cross one to go to work, or to go to uni classes, or to go shopping. You just don’t.
Personally, I think its really decent of the BA guys to stop work even though it may not have been motivated by general purpose solidarity. Speaking as someone who has been on strike and on a picket line (in midwinter) it isn’t any fun and it’s generally best for all concerned to get things sorted out quickly, which usually means giving the employer’s profits and reputation a beating until they’re prepared to make some concessions. Anyone who thinks unions in the UK today have too much power needs their head looking at.

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By: Gregg http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/08/why-im-not-left-wing/#comment-7693 Sat, 13 Aug 2005 15:12:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1337#comment-7693 Even so, British Airways’s employees appear to be marginally worse than their management. Going out on strike on behalf of work-shy tossers who not only thorougly deserved to be sacked [*],

Is this irony, or have you suddenly joined some nutty far-right "freedom is slavery" outfit, John?

In what way did they deserve to be sacked? Gate Gourmet is trying to cut their benefits and in some cases their wages (already not much higher than the minimum). Now it has started hiring agency staff on short term contracts, its goal not doubt being to get rid of the permanent staff. And you think this is a good idea and the permanenet staff deserve to be treated like this, and should be instantly dismissed if they try to do something about it? Because God forbid service types should have things like pensions and paid holidays and job security, eh?

but who weren’t even employed by the same company, is utterly pisstaking behaviour.

They were exmployed by the same company a few years ago, until BA decided to sell-off its catering division (which became Gate Gourmet). Thanks to the geography of Heathrow, many of the staff there are members of the same family, so many of BA’s support staff are related to Gate Gourmet’s workers.

As well as hiring some caterers who don’t come from the 1970s, BA needs to sack every single employee taking part in its unofficial ground staff strikes, and preferably replace them with hardworking immigrants being paid the minimum wage.

The fact that an awful lot of them are hard-working immigrants being paid minimum wage rather complicates this as a solution. Perhaps it could import people willing to work in exchange for not being beaten and chained?

In an ideal world, BA would be in a position to sack all the no-skill jokers currently being paid high wages to do fuck all in its non-engineering and non-flying operations, and replace them all with minimum wage contractors.

If they’re no-skill jokers doing fuck all, why replace them at all? Hell, if they’re really so superfluous and useless, how can it possibly be that this strike has caused so much disruption?

Unfortunately, the still-too-powerful unions make this impossible – so BA is likely to go bust at some point thanks to competition from airlines such as Ryanair and Easyjet (which do exactly this).

Would these be the unions that spent the past couple of days screaming "get back to work", allowing BA’s management to stay in hiding whilst they made the bosses’ case for them?

This post has to be irony. I know you’re not a lefty, John, but even you can’t be this stupid. This is the sort of brainless shite that only the hard right of the Tory Party is capable of spewing – in which case one imagines you’d be far too busy, reminiscing about the Raj and buggering young boys, to run a website.

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By: dsquared http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/08/why-im-not-left-wing/#comment-7689 Sat, 13 Aug 2005 05:07:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1337#comment-7689 So a thriving industry produces a dreadful return to investors because of the militancy of its trade unions and you seriously mean this as a defence of airline employees?

Why not? Other industries pay crap wages and see how much the investors care. Some industries are good for capital and some for labour.

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By: Jeremy http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/08/why-im-not-left-wing/#comment-7688 Sat, 13 Aug 2005 04:09:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1337#comment-7688 except that there isn’t one decent British investment bank left… the largest one left is Rothsvhilds… and it doesn’t even have a bond division…

the more details that have come out this morning have made this post look even stupider than it did when it was written if that was possible

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By: Matt http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/08/why-im-not-left-wing/#comment-7685 Sat, 13 Aug 2005 02:51:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1337#comment-7685 "So a thriving industry produces a dreadful return to investors because of the militancy of its trade unions and you seriously mean this as a defence of airline employees? "

It’s just because Dan’s being too honest. You could say much the same about investment banking (substituting employees themselves for trades unions). But I’m sure you see that as a British success story.

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By: Sam http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/08/why-im-not-left-wing/#comment-7684 Sat, 13 Aug 2005 01:10:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1337#comment-7684 Unfortuanate use of languange by John B.

The workers at GG are defending their livelihood, wages, their families and basic quality of lives, aswell as the dignity of work.

That, as a humanitarian, is the way I see it. I think we all understand the realities of capitalism, but in this instance, John B’s defence of it is wholly unconvincing.

He rather lets the cat out of the bag when he describes the GG strikers as "work-shy tossers", without backing up such a slanted view with at least some basic evidence that that is the real reason they are on strike.

You don’t have to be a raving lefty to see the basic errors in John B’s argument.

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By: Chris Lightfoot http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/08/why-im-not-left-wing/#comment-7683 Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:38:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1337#comment-7683 Yeah, see, that strikes me as pretty talentless. I’d imagine that many of the people on that plane had better things to do than sit around on the tarmac for eight hours, and if the crew were doing their jobs they’d have taken some steps to get them out of the ‘plane.

That said, I’ve never had decent customer service from British Airways aircrew, so I guess it isn’t a big surprise that these people didn’t either.

(I should say that in my view being stuck on some stinking aeroplane for eight hours is an extreme circumstance, though meeker readers of this site might disagree.)

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By: Matt Daws http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/08/why-im-not-left-wing/#comment-7682 Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:28:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1337#comment-7682 Chris, Well, okay, in extreme circumstances, sure. But I think BA might have been a touch annoyed if they’d set off the emergency systems.

That said, sitting on a plane for a few hours, mere meters away from the terminal, and I would probably contemplate opening the emergency hatch. Especially if you were there to egg me on. The caller to the BBC was very relaxed, in contrast: he even said he didn’t blame BA, as the pilot kept coming on the intercom every half hour to say that he still didn’t know anything…

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By: Chris Lightfoot http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/08/why-im-not-left-wing/#comment-7681 Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:02:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1337#comment-7681 He’d been stuck on the plane, which had arrvied at Heathrow some hours ago, and they weren’t been let off because none of the ground-staff would help them.

What shite. Last time I checked, aeroplanes had doors and escape slides. If the crew of the ‘plane had wanted to let them out, they could have done; even if they hadn’t, the passengers could have opened the doors themselves. The notion that you need ground staff in order to leave an aeroplane is complete crap.

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