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Comments on: Mission for the day http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/mission-for-the-day/ As fair-minded and non-partisan as Torquemada. Wed, 07 Mar 2012 07:16:20 +0000 hourly 1 By: Ally http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/mission-for-the-day/#comment-5586 Thu, 07 Jul 2005 08:50:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1221#comment-5586 Anthony, I agree in principle – no-one should be expected to blindly follow orders without recourse to their own moral compass.

However, individual pharmasists declining to fill prescriptions because of their personal beliefs only works for society as a whole if there are roughly equal numbers of people prepared to fill the prescription as not. In some parts of the US I understand that it is becoming very difficult indeed to actually obtain chemical contraception, let along the morning after pill, because so many pharmacists are refusing to do so. (Sorry, I did read an in-depth, reference piece on this, but I no longer have the link).

Where does that leave the individual, who may not be able to travel twenty, forty or a hundred miles to the nearest pharmacy prepared to dispense?

I think there is an argument that can be made that if these actions are legal, then people employed in those professions should *not* be given an option to opt out and still expect to keep their jobs.

Taken to its logical conclusion, I guess that does extend to dispensing drugs for assisted suicide – where, after all, the person in question will actually have made the decision to end their life themselves.

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By: Anthony http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/mission-for-the-day/#comment-5531 Wed, 06 Jul 2005 21:07:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1221#comment-5531 A question.

There is, in the above thread, a theme that the pharmacist should follow the prescription, or a customer’s request, without recourse to his or her own morality.

(For the record, in the case we are discussing I would have supplied, although I have been made aware that the news report is very one-sided by people involved in the case, since I blogged it.)

However, what if euthanasia were legalised? Would you suggest that pharmacists should not opt out of supplying drugs which would kill people – if their beliefs did not support such an action?

Such a pharmacist is not just "following orders" but making a personal moral decision to be complicit in the taking of another life. If they are not happy to be involved, shouldn’t they have the option to back out of supplying.

On the same basis, if a pharmacist really believes that EHC is an abortifacent and is equivalent to murdering a child – then shouldn’t they have the option to not supply? Nurses and medical staff have such an option, so I fail to see why another caring profession involved in public health should not.

(BTW This is not exclusively a problem related to Christians, I am aware of a number of Muslims who refuse to supply EHC on moral grounds.)

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By: Ally http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/mission-for-the-day/#comment-5506 Wed, 06 Jul 2005 10:21:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1221#comment-5506 It’s more like working in an armoury and refusing to sell guns

Yes, better example. But I actually *do* work as a lighting technician. :).

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By: Squander Two http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/mission-for-the-day/#comment-5501 Wed, 06 Jul 2005 09:05:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1221#comment-5501 Ah, right. Sorry. I thought you meant we shouldn’t compel Muslims working in pubs to do something they find distasteful. But you didn’t, so that’s alright, then.

As you were.

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By: Larry http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/mission-for-the-day/#comment-5500 Wed, 06 Jul 2005 09:04:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1221#comment-5500 No, they should probably personally be sacked for refusing to do their job properly.

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By: Andrew http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/mission-for-the-day/#comment-5497 Wed, 06 Jul 2005 08:23:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1221#comment-5497 That’s what I said – They should probably personally reconsider their career

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By: Squander Two http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/mission-for-the-day/#comment-5493 Wed, 06 Jul 2005 08:10:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1221#comment-5493 > they shouldn’t necessarily be forced into doing it by virtue of their job description

Eh? But they chose their job description. I’d have a lot of sympathy for anyone who became a pharmacist when contraception was illegal and then saw it legalised, but this is obviously not a case like that.

My opinion hasn’t changed on these cases in months: such behaviour shouldn’t be illegal, but shouldn’t be legally protected either. You have the right not to do any bits of your job you don’t like, and your employer has the right to sack you for not doing bits of your job. Fair enough.

Anyone, Muslim or otherwise, who doesn’t want to serve alcohol should not work in a pub. In other news, people with vertigo, paint allergies, and a fear of seagulls shouldn’t paint the Forth Bridge. This does not affect your statutury rights.

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By: Andrew http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/mission-for-the-day/#comment-5487 Wed, 06 Jul 2005 07:53:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1221#comment-5487 I think we can all agree that the pharmacist was fucking rude, and didn’t have the balls to tell the woman herself that she wasn’t getting the morning after pill, leaving it to her assistant to do it, which is the cardinal crime here, in my opinion at least.

That said, if someone has a moral problem with doing something, they shouldn’t necessarily be forced into doing it by virtue of their job description. They should probably personally reconsider their career, but you can’t compel someone to do something they find distasteful (c.f. Muslims working in pubs, etc…)

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By: john b http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/mission-for-the-day/#comment-5481 Wed, 06 Jul 2005 07:42:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1221#comment-5481 Yes, but they could still have sacked her for this: "The pharmacists’ Code of Ethics says that if a pharmacist does refuse to provide a service, they must not condemn or criticise a patient and they must advise a patient of alternative sources for the service. It also states that requests for emergency contraception must be handled sensitively with due regard to the patient’s right to privacy."

Equally, does the fact that someone is allowed to be a pharmacist (ie not being struck off) mean that Asda are obliged to employ her?

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By: badly dubbed boy http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/mission-for-the-day/#comment-5480 Wed, 06 Jul 2005 07:35:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1221#comment-5480 erm… it’s not Asda’s fault. If you read the story, you’ll find that under the law, pharmacists are allowed to refuse to give people emergency contraception on religious grounds. You can’t blame Asda for fulfilling their legal duty.

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