Comments on: Corpse of journalism shudders in grave

By: Paul Moloney

Paul Moloney — Wed, 03 Aug 2005 08:56:00 +0000

Just thought you might want to know it was French and/or Algerian authorities who coined the term "Londonistan". They may also be right-wing idiots, of course.

http://www.ict.org.il/spotlight/comment.cfm?id=1075

"I believe the term "Londonistan" actually dates back to the mid-1990s and was a term of derision used by French counter-terrorism agencies towards their British counterparts for the amount of such Islamist activity that the British were allowing to be run out of London"

http://www.windsofchange.net/archives/006206.php

By: hellblazer

hellblazer — Tue, 02 Aug 2005 13:09:00 +0000

Aren't UK immigrants who happen to be Hindu usually from a different socio-economic background, and from a different period of immigration, than those who happen to be Muslim? In which case the attempt to use the former as a control group against the latter would be, er, a bit flawed.

Might be useful for any attempts at debate if someone could find some data to link to.

By: Old Peculier

Old Peculier — Tue, 02 Aug 2005 10:06:00 +0000

Simon - I meant in the UK, most Muslims and Hindus are the same race as each other. Obviously not in the world as a whole, where Muslims can be any race.

As I've said on a different thread, the racism excuse is often used for Muslim underachievement, criminality (4 times the expected proportion in prison) and now terrorism. But Hindus will experience any racism that Muslims do, and don't have the same problems.

You appear to have misunderstood what I said, but there is no need to be abusive.

Tamil separatists etc are not relevant, because I'm trying to do a like for like comparison - British Hindus and British Muslims, who live in the same conditions etc.

By: Jim Bliss

Jim Bliss — Tue, 02 Aug 2005 09:08:00 +0000

"Muslims and Hindus are the same race and come, mostly from the same backgrounds."

Is that a joke? Or are you just fond of being wrong in public?

Oh and incidentally, more Hindus blow themselves up (Tamil Separatists) than Moslems do (excluding the ongoing conflict in Iraq).

By: Simon

Simon — Tue, 02 Aug 2005 08:37:00 +0000

"Muslims and Hindus are the same race and come, mostly from the same backgrounds."

Good grief. Read a fucking book, eh?

By: Meaders

Meaders — Tue, 02 Aug 2005 08:22:00 +0000

"Muslims and Hindus are the same race..."

Christ almighty, you are a pig-ignorant bigot.

By: Old Peculier

Old Peculier — Mon, 01 Aug 2005 16:08:00 +0000

Muslims and Hindus are the same race and come, mostly from the same backgrounds.

Hindus are a control group for Muslims.

Hindus have integrated very well. Muslims haven't and one or two are blowing themselves up.

Clue: Islam.

By: hellblazer

hellblazer — Mon, 01 Aug 2005 15:28:00 +0000

[i]Old P: Muslims in the UK are more likely to be on benefits than adherents of any other religion[/i]

Why the elision between socio-economic status and religion?

I'm not disputing OP's assertion (I'm not informed enough on the stats) but since we all seem to agree that it's at best correlation rather than causal link, I think my original naive question of ``WTF does that have to do with anything?" stands.

I agree about the selection of the ``experts", BTW. Can't say it surprises me though.

By: jayann

jayann — Mon, 01 Aug 2005 14:58:00 +0000

("I suggest we deport them all."

or go for extraordinary rendition.)

anyone else think the Sunday Times chose their "experts" with care or severely edited their comments?

By: backword dave

backword dave — Mon, 01 Aug 2005 14:03:00 +0000

Fine by me, when’s the flight to Hawaii?