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Comments on: Compare and contrast http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/compare-and-contrast/ As fair-minded and non-partisan as Torquemada. Wed, 07 Mar 2012 07:16:20 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jozo http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/compare-and-contrast/#comment-6983 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 05:16:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1297#comment-6983 You forgot to add:

Filesharing victims: rich companies
Gun crime victims: poor people

Now as you see priorities are perfectly justified.

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By: Nick http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/compare-and-contrast/#comment-6956 Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:17:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1297#comment-6956 On the other hand, one is a crime against (intellectual) property – the other a crime against the person. Guess which gets taken more seriously . . .

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By: dsquared http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/compare-and-contrast/#comment-6947 Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:38:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1297#comment-6947 Well he only had to keep it up for quite a short period because we lost touch about nine years ago but I’ve certainly believed it all that time.

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By: john b http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/compare-and-contrast/#comment-6944 Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:14:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1297#comment-6944 these guys</a> sound Turkish. If your mate was putting it on then that's an excellent gag, and I'm impressed he kept it up for 10 years...]]> None of these guys sound Turkish. If your mate was putting it on then that’s an excellent gag, and I’m impressed he kept it up for 10 years…

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By: dsquared http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/compare-and-contrast/#comment-6943 Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:06:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1297#comment-6943 It’s just struck me that Tolga might have been pulling my leg but I have certainly believed this to be the case for ten years.

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By: dsquared http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/compare-and-contrast/#comment-6942 Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:05:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1297#comment-6942 oh really? must have been a different Shampoo song because my mate wasn’t Con Fitzpatrick; he was a Turkish guy who is now chief economist somewhere earning megabucks.

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By: john b http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/compare-and-contrast/#comment-6941 Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:39:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1297#comment-6941 Chris: not sure where ‘feel better’ comes into it: I haven’t downloaded any illegal music in years, and own about 700 legally acquired CDs.

While I understand why Bloodshot are saying what they’re saying, they haven’t actually supplied any evidence that downloading costs them sales (they’re committing the popular content industry fallacy of assuming that people who download things that are free would otherwise have paid for them). Indeed, given that they’re a tiny label with limited distribution who’ll get stiffed compared to the majors in production, sales and marketing costs, I’d be amazed if a revenue maximising strategy for them wouldn’t be to sell un-DRMed MP3s on their website for cheap and accept a small increase in sales combined with a massive increase in people listening to illicit copies.

Dan: your mate with the Shampoo royalties presumaby got a writing credit (this would make sense, given that the riff pretty much made the song. Wasn’t his name Con, Com, or something? – yes, post-Googling it was Con Fitzpatrick and he co-wrote the songs…). This is admittedly a way in which bands make money despite not getting payback on their record deals; however, the vast majority of the cash he gets will be from radio play rather than record sales.

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By: dsquared http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/compare-and-contrast/#comment-6940 Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:21:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1297#comment-6940 I used to know a chap who got royalties every six months for playing the guitar riff on "Trouble" by Shampoo. It wasn’t a whole load of money but I suspect that if he was getting them a lot of other people are too.

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By: Chris Bertram http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/compare-and-contrast/#comment-6939 Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:18:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1297#comment-6939 It may make you feel better to say that, John, but I doubt that it is true.

First, those who are living off unrecoupable advances from the majors only got those advances because someone was willing to take a punt on them selling lots of CDs or paid downloads in the future. If the environment changes so that fewer such sales are expected, then there will be fewer advances paid.

Second, there are plenty of artists signed to independent small labels whose royalties do represent the marginal difference between surviving as musicians or just jacking it all in. See

http://www.bloodshotrecords.com/faq/#board_2558

for an argument to this effect.

And have a listen to Gillian Welch’s Everything is Free while you’re pondering the subject.

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By: john b http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/07/compare-and-contrast/#comment-6938 Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:41:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1297#comment-6938 The artists don’t get any royalties anyway: with the exception of about 50 megastars who really won’t miss the surplus cash, they live off advances which are never recouped.

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