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Comments on: Ranking liberal dreads http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/06/ranking-liberal-dreads/ As fair-minded and non-partisan as Torquemada. Wed, 07 Mar 2012 07:16:20 +0000 hourly 1 By: Chris Baldwin http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/06/ranking-liberal-dreads/#comment-4673 Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:19:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1155#comment-4673 Has anyone here ever actually met anyone in real life with views like those of that guy with odd ideas about "liberals"?

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By: Matthew http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/06/ranking-liberal-dreads/#comment-4670 Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:16:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1155#comment-4670 Every Charter renewal raises it as a possibility, for example http://www.bbccharterreview.org.uk/have_your_say/green_paper/gp_funding.pdf

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By: Squander Two http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/06/ranking-liberal-dreads/#comment-4667 Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:48:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1155#comment-4667 Really? OK. I’ve just never seen it.

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By: Matthew http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/06/ranking-liberal-dreads/#comment-4641 Thu, 16 Jun 2005 08:45:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1155#comment-4641 I’m not so sure the poll tax, if it had been £78 a household, or £35 per person, which is about what the licence fee was back then, wouldn’t have worked.

It was the fact that it was approaching £400 each (equivalent to £600 to £800 each in today’s terms) that really did for it.

On the licence fee people do argue that the BBC should be funded by an income-based levy, i.e. income tax. Every time it is discussed that argument is had.

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By: Andrew Bartlett http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/06/ranking-liberal-dreads/#comment-4637 Thu, 16 Jun 2005 08:31:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1155#comment-4637 I’d say that (or something very similar). The problem is that political debate does not work as some kind of abstracted philosophical debate. Who is speaking and why they are saying what they do does matter. I am suspicious of those that suggest changing the way that the BBC is funded as there are very powerful interested bodies lurking just off the stage of this debate hoping to do away with the idea of the BBC altogether.

Unless they can turn it into a cash cow for themselves. See, for example, the Murdoch executives idea of having a system by which the BBC gives its best products to commercial broadcasters (i.e. public money is used to develop products which are then exploited for private gain). Or the recent hollowing out of the BBC, outsourcing its programme production to commercial organisations, which has a knock on effect in terms of quality (full-time researchers and archivists, for example, are an ‘unaffordable’ luxury in the private sector) if these private interests are to make a profit. Well, either that or wages and conditions are squeezed to make the profit, or perhaps the price of programmes rises – perhaps all three.

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By: Squander Two http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/06/ranking-liberal-dreads/#comment-4633 Thu, 16 Jun 2005 08:21:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1155#comment-4633 Ah, right. I got thrown by the quotes within quotes within quotes. Doh.

Matthew hasn’t provided a link, but, since the post is about the "headline sequence", I assumed that it was referring either to the story snippet that goes on the front page or the bit that’s in bold at the top of the report. Both of those are supposed to contain a fair summing-up of the story. If it’s just the first few lines of each report that BBC are discussing, then they’re talking bollocks.

You are right about the difference between the License Fee and the Poll Tax, but, since that difference applies just as much to the new Council Tax and the old Rates and neither of them led to riots or widespread civil disobedience, I don’t think that was the protestors’ problem with it. All I mean is that, in amongst the fierce defense of the License Fee, I never see anyone say "The BBC should be publicy funded, but with a fair income-based tax," which I think is odd.

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By: john b http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/06/ranking-liberal-dreads/#comment-4624 Thu, 16 Jun 2005 07:15:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1155#comment-4624 The "Can anyone apart from me see hysteria in the one and sanity in the other, even if, as I suspect, the BBC usually gets casualty figures right?" at the end was from the original B-BBC post, rather than from Matthew.

Not sure your point about whodunnit works, either – note that the B-BBCer quoted only the first two lines of the Beeb report, and the first two lines from CNN also didn’t mention who the attackers were.

The crucial difference between the license fee and the poll tax is that you can very easily and legally avoid the former without majorly impairing your life (ie by watching DVDs, reading books, going out, etc), whereas you can’t really opt out of living somewhere without that having a significant knock-on impact on your life…

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By: Squander Two http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/06/ranking-liberal-dreads/#comment-4623 Thu, 16 Jun 2005 06:59:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1155#comment-4623 If the entire quote is from Biased BBC, where’s the bit about one quote being hysterical?

I don’t think one’s hysterical. I do think that CCN’s mentions who did the bombing while the BBC’s presents an ambiguous report which could be misconstrued as meaning that the US were attacking the Red Cross. I also think that that kind of mistake is forgivable once, but that the BBC do it rather a lot. (Note for Larry: I am not saying here that the BBC regularly accuse the US of attacking the Red Cross. The pronoun "it" in the last sentence before the brackets refers to "that kind of mistake".)

Funny thing about the License Fee: when the same scheme was introduced for collecting council tax, left-wingers rioted against it. At no point did they claim that local councils weren’t biased or that local councils provided crap services that the rioters didn’t want to use. Both of those arguments would have been regarded, had anyone made them, as entirely irrelevent. (Note to Larry: I am not saying here that I supported Thatcher, which I didn’t, or the Poll Tax, which I didn’t.)

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By: John S http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/06/ranking-liberal-dreads/#comment-4621 Thu, 16 Jun 2005 05:55:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1155#comment-4621 I suppose the bit about "other buildings come under attack" could sound vaguely sinister, but come on. I’d hardly say the difference is "stark."

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By: Matthew http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/06/ranking-liberal-dreads/#comment-4620 Thu, 16 Jun 2005 05:45:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1155#comment-4620 The entire quote is from Biased BBC. The poster thought the BBC hysterical, and the CNN one sane. I don’t know why.

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