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Comments on: Fuck, we’re fucked http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/06/fuck-were-fucked/ As fair-minded and non-partisan as Torquemada. Wed, 07 Mar 2012 07:16:20 +0000 hourly 1 By: RunningOnFumes http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/06/fuck-were-fucked/#comment-8357 Sat, 03 Sep 2005 20:40:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1141#comment-8357 Andrew is high on crack. Thermodynamics always trumps economics. S > 0 always. Entropy never stops. Grab a science book for once.

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By: Squander Two http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/06/fuck-were-fucked/#comment-4560 Tue, 14 Jun 2005 19:48:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1141#comment-4560 > I don’t think that John proposed tax-increases are designed to piss people off

No, neither do I, which is why I didn’t say so.

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By: Larry http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/06/fuck-were-fucked/#comment-4524 Tue, 14 Jun 2005 04:57:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1141#comment-4524 S2 I don’t think that John proposed tax-increases are designed to piss people off (though they certainly would). In particular the idea is precisely not to mitigate the rising price of oil. They’re designed, as Iain says, with a view to extending the physical lifetime of the remaining oil reserves, and thus the time available for new technologies to become available. If we do nothing, and people’s touching faith in human ingenuity, faith in the market to cope with every eventuality, and faith that a technological solution will be found, if that all fails to produce the goods in time, then we’re all going to have a lot more to worry about than having no time for anything in life but work. Buying ourselves more time to find a solution might be the prudent thing to do, however unappealing it would be.

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By: Squander Two http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/06/fuck-were-fucked/#comment-4512 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:37:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1141#comment-4512 I probably take everything less seriously than you think.

If I see a government realistically proposing to multiply fuel tax by ten, I’ll take that seriously. I don’t think Mr Band has Mr Brown’s ear, though, so I’m really quite relaxed about it all.

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By: Matthew http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/06/fuck-were-fucked/#comment-4488 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:31:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1141#comment-4488 Do you take everything too seriously or just arguments about oil?

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By: Squander Two http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/06/fuck-were-fucked/#comment-4487 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:27:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1141#comment-4487 The road-pricing John mentioned in his post, you mean? Oh, no, I see he didn’t.

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By: Matthew http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/06/fuck-were-fucked/#comment-4483 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:29:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1141#comment-4483 "Scots Highlanders get so pissed off with urbanites"

Ah, but they’d gain from the road-pricing, so everything would be ok.

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By: Squander Two http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/06/fuck-were-fucked/#comment-4481 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:57:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1141#comment-4481 > While it would be less convenient for you to join their number, I think you’d struggle to seriously claim it would be impossible…

Oh, no, not impossible. There’s no train where I work, but I could get a bus here from Belfast. Only I don’t live in Belfast, so I’d have to commute into the city first, so my commute would nearly double in length, on far slower methods of transport, increasing my commute time from about half an hour to about two hours, leaving me with no time for anything in my life but work. Yay!

But that’s just me. Plenty of people in the UK live in places where there are one or two buses per day. Not everyone lives in a city centre, which is why Scots Highlanders get so pissed off with urbanites talking about increasing fuel tax to "encourage" everyone to use public transport. For millions of people, it’s simply not an option, and increasing fuel tax simply "encourages" them to become poorer while funding public transport for people in cities.

Still not answered my question, I see. Are people who would be impoverished and who would have their quality of life fucked up by your policy the right people to piss off?

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By: Chris Lightfoot http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/06/fuck-were-fucked/#comment-4475 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:28:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1141#comment-4475 "There is a serious problem with road pricing if it is revenue-neutral, in that there would be less incentive to produce fuel-efficient cars if the duty on petrol disappered."

Yeah. You can always adjust for this by manipulating the prices for different vehicles, but it’s messier than simply taxing the fuel. I’m something of a fan of taxing things to their externalities, so would suggest retaining a fuel tax but having it cover the direct environmental costs of pollution, and using road pricing to encourage less congesting behaviour, but this obviously makes the thing slightly harder to sell politically (since it’s a new tax, not a "fairer replacement for an existing tax").

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By: Matthew http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/06/fuck-were-fucked/#comment-4466 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 07:36:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1141#comment-4466 Sorry I forgot to add the 1998 (not 1999) to 2005 it rose 4 times in nominal terms (and these are annual averages – I think from the low in 1998 to the high in 2005 it rose 7-8 times).

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