Comments on: Embittered Yanks

By: Gregg

Gregg — Fri, 17 Jun 2005 09:15:00 +0000

From where I sit, the Guardian looks centrist at best, and I’m "old" Labour so the far left is still far to my left.

By: Andrew Bartlett

Andrew Bartlett — Fri, 17 Jun 2005 08:26:00 +0000

What, you seriously believe that the Guardian is FAR left? I'd concede that it is leftwing. I concede that it is very liberal. But if the Guardian is FAR left then FAR left is identical to 'left'.

Unless you are from the Oliver Kamm school of labeling political positions, in which The Times an Telegraph are left-wing.

Look, The Telegraph is right-wing. That much is beyond doubt. But even I, way over on the other end of the spectrum, would not describe it as a FAR right paper. To do so would suggest that I had either abandoned reason or hadn't a clue what I was talking about.

I think, really, the problem isn't that I have a different definition of 'reason', but rather that there are a handful of people whose definition of FAR left is completely different from that in general usage.

By: Stephen

Stephen — Fri, 17 Jun 2005 06:55:00 +0000

You might have problems with the editorial position of the Guardian. The suggest that it is far left is, however, beyond reason.

LOL

ROFL

Obviously some definition of "reason" I wasn't aware of before.

By: Squander Two

Squander Two — Thu, 16 Jun 2005 15:29:00 +0000

Oo! Oo! I know: ‘Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious’. It’d be perfect.

By: Squander Two

Squander Two — Thu, 16 Jun 2005 15:28:00 +0000

But what should the soundtrack be? ‘In the Hall of the Mountain King’? ‘A Night on Bare Mountain’? ‘Bootilicious’?

By: Andrew Bartlett

Andrew Bartlett — Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:54:00 +0000

"Sun staffers dancing around with pictures of the devil."

Mirrors?

By: john b

john b — Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:48:00 +0000

Andrew is correct in his interpretation of what I said above: the Guardian and the Telegraph are the UK's two least awful mainstream newspapers, but both spin like buggery and neither can be trusted on its own.

I'd be similarly delighted to see Guardian staff dancing around with pictures of Marx. Especially if the same perfomance featured Mail staffers dancing around with pictures of Hitler, and Sun staffers dancing around with pictures of the devil.

By: Squander Two

Squander Two — Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:09:00 +0000

I would like to see some evidence for this assertion that the Guardian’s staff are co-ordinated enough to dance. If someone could turn this pictures-of-Marx dance into a big production number, I’d pay good money to see it.

By: Andrew Bartlett

Andrew Bartlett — Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:03:00 +0000

So, can I just check that I am understanding you correctly? Is your opinion that, the Guardian 'dances around with pictures of Marx?'

You might have problems with the editorial position of the Guardian. The suggest that it is far left is, however, beyond reason.

By: Andrew Bartlett

Andrew Bartlett — Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:00:00 +0000

"What, so the Guardian doesn't fit in with prejudices?"

Can you actually read? That is not the meaning of what he wrote. In fact his words implied that 'dumb brits' whose prejudices fit the editorial position of the Guardian read the Guardian. He was suggesting that 'smart brits' read a variety of sources, reduced in his comments to the Guardian and the Telegraph.