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Comments on: Whoring http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/05/whoring/ As fair-minded and non-partisan as Torquemada. Wed, 07 Mar 2012 07:16:20 +0000 hourly 1 By: john b http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/05/whoring/#comment-4110 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:35:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1103#comment-4110 The BBC’s decision to use RealPlayer is a) incredibly lame b) entirely dictated, I’m sure, by the need to keep rights holders happy as you’ve outlined.

Extending the week-long radio archive thing to TV seems much more plausible as a Thing The BBC Might Do This Year. And it’ll be fucking cool. Word.

]]> By: Michael http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/05/whoring/#comment-4109 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:56:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1103#comment-4109 Believe me, I’m not criticising the BBC in any way, shape or form (aside from their seeming reluctance to cater for non-Windows users with regard to this new media player, but that’s a side issue). I’m more aware than most of the hurdles they’ve had to overcome even to get this far!

In all seriousness, if I could turn the clock back twenty years, I might seriously have considered going into intellectual property law – I’d certainly be a damn sight richer if nothing else!

]]> By: Jim Bliss http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/05/whoring/#comment-4107 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:46:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1103#comment-4107 The time-limited downloads idea is still A Good Thing, and the Creative Archive may be rather limited but still has the potential to be wonderful (I believe the beeb holds the copyright to all of the Peel Sessions, for instance).

]]> By: Michael http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/05/whoring/#comment-4104 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 16:08:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1103#comment-4104 time-limited downloads</a> of current programmes (as opposed to the entire historical archive, much of which notoriously no longer exists anyway), playable only through their new Interactive Media Player, which has instructions to render the files unplayable after a fixed time period.<br/><br/>Realistically, this is probably the only way to win round unions and rights holders - the concept of an entire moving-image culture being freely available is a wonderful one, but in the real world (or at least that part of it that has to abide by the law, like the BBC, BFI, NFTVA or similar entities) it's a case of slowly shuffling forwards with the occasional pause for reflection and consultation rather than racing ahead. <br/><br/>It's really frustrating at times, not least because of the people who assume that the numerous access restrictions are in place due to sheer bloody-mindedness on our part, as though we have any say in the matter at all!]]> OK, I think I’ve twigged what he’s talking about – I bet this is the project to allow time-limited downloads of current programmes (as opposed to the entire historical archive, much of which notoriously no longer exists anyway), playable only through their new Interactive Media Player, which has instructions to render the files unplayable after a fixed time period.

Realistically, this is probably the only way to win round unions and rights holders – the concept of an entire moving-image culture being freely available is a wonderful one, but in the real world (or at least that part of it that has to abide by the law, like the BBC, BFI, NFTVA or similar entities) it’s a case of slowly shuffling forwards with the occasional pause for reflection and consultation rather than racing ahead.

It’s really frustrating at times, not least because of the people who assume that the numerous access restrictions are in place due to sheer bloody-mindedness on our part, as though we have any say in the matter at all!

]]> By: john b http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/05/whoring/#comment-4077 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 04:24:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1103#comment-4077 Got it from Scaryduck in the comments to that article (I believe he’s working on the IT side of it).

I was rather surprised too, hence mentioning it! (the BBC have managed to get the rights holders to their radio stuff to agree to let them archive that digitally on the web though, so I guess it’s not literally impossible…)

]]> By: Michael http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/05/whoring/#comment-4072 Tue, 31 May 2005 16:32:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1103#comment-4072 Greg Dyke circa the 2003 Edinburgh Television Festival</a>, the BBC has been hit with a rather massive reality check since then.<br/><br/>I completely agree that it would be (approximately) the Best Thing Ever, but just ask yourself how likely it is that Equity, the Performing Rights Society, the BBC's trading arm, their various co-production partners (or indeed the outright copyright holders - just to give one single example, the BBC doesn't own <em>Blackadder</em>, despite it being one of their flagship comedy successes), and numerous other interested parties would be to agree to this kind of thing.<br/><br/>And if the answer isn't already "very unlikely indeed", ask yourself how long it would take merely to negotiate all the relevant contracts on a per-programme basis... even before you start to think about the logistics of digitising everything merely in terms of timescale (let alone resources, bandwidth, etc.).<br/><br/>The Creative Archive is a wonderful idea in theory, but anyone who seriously thinks this means that more than the tiniest fraction of the BBC's output is going to be put online as a result is as deluded as some of my more excitable regular correspondents at work. I've spent the past three years trying to do something very similar with the contents of the National Film and Television Archive, so I wrestle with these issues every single day.]]> John, where on earth did you get that idea from?

If it was Greg Dyke circa the 2003 Edinburgh Television Festival, the BBC has been hit with a rather massive reality check since then.

I completely agree that it would be (approximately) the Best Thing Ever, but just ask yourself how likely it is that Equity, the Performing Rights Society, the BBC’s trading arm, their various co-production partners (or indeed the outright copyright holders – just to give one single example, the BBC doesn’t own Blackadder, despite it being one of their flagship comedy successes), and numerous other interested parties would be to agree to this kind of thing.

And if the answer isn’t already "very unlikely indeed", ask yourself how long it would take merely to negotiate all the relevant contracts on a per-programme basis… even before you start to think about the logistics of digitising everything merely in terms of timescale (let alone resources, bandwidth, etc.).

The Creative Archive is a wonderful idea in theory, but anyone who seriously thinks this means that more than the tiniest fraction of the BBC’s output is going to be put online as a result is as deluded as some of my more excitable regular correspondents at work. I’ve spent the past three years trying to do something very similar with the contents of the National Film and Television Archive, so I wrestle with these issues every single day.

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