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Comments on: Tinfoil of the day http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/05/tinfoil-of-the-day/ As fair-minded and non-partisan as Torquemada. Wed, 07 Mar 2012 07:16:20 +0000 hourly 1 By: jamesg01 http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/05/tinfoil-of-the-day/#comment-5625 Thu, 07 Jul 2005 13:03:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1045#comment-5625 I guess I was wrong, I better put up that tinfoil hat…

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By: dave heasman http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/05/tinfoil-of-the-day/#comment-3624 Fri, 06 May 2005 12:58:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1045#comment-3624 "(clearly not having bothered to read the piece under discussion)"

100% true. It’s a blog, life is short etc etc.

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By: Squander Two http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/05/tinfoil-of-the-day/#comment-3623 Fri, 06 May 2005 12:28:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1045#comment-3623 Basically no, then. There’s a world of difference between a person changing his mind and a party changing its members, because the latter invloves one group of people being replaced with completely different people. There’s nothing deceptive about saying, "This is the same man, but he has changed his mind."

What Dave Heasman said above (clearly not having bothered to read the piece under discussion) was that any attempt to mention what Byrd himself actually did amounted to smearing him by association with the Democratic Party simply because it used to contain a bunch of racists who are all now Republicans, when in fact it amounts to smearing him by association with himself. I’m certainly not so stupid that I think the Dems haven’t changed, and would never claim they hadn’t*, but that doesn’t mean that Dave isn’t talking utter bollocks.

* Although I do claim that, if you’ve changed your mind about race, you probably shouldn’t reminisce quite so fondly and proudly about the time you tried to stop the Civil Rights Act. It gives a bad impression.

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By: dsquared http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/05/tinfoil-of-the-day/#comment-3611 Fri, 06 May 2005 08:03:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1045#comment-3611 Is anyone who tries to equate Robert Byrd before 1968 to Robert Byrd today deliberately trying to deceive?

Basically yes. Byrd has completely repudiated his past and has a very good record over the last thirty years with respect to being fair to the blacks, which is why they vote for him.

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By: Squander Two http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/05/tinfoil-of-the-day/#comment-3606 Fri, 06 May 2005 06:13:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1045#comment-3606 > Nixon with his Southern Strategy got them all to become Republicans

Well, obviously not, since Robert Byrd, the senator under discussion, is still a Democrat. Is anyone who tries to equate Robert Byrd before 1968 to Robert Byrd today deliberately trying to deceive?

The point is that the BBC print Byrd’s proud reminiscences about using the filibuster in ’64 without mentioning what he used it for. That’s not a vague thing about Democrats generally; it’s very specifically about Robert Byrd. I might add that his obvious pride in what he did doesn’t give me confidence that he regrets it, which in turn leads me to think that he might not have changed his mind on the issues concerned.

But, hey, if he’s racist, he must be Republican, right?

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By: Bishop Hill http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/05/tinfoil-of-the-day/#comment-3605 Fri, 06 May 2005 04:48:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1045#comment-3605 Dave

You’re missing my point. The guy is a racist. His being a Democrat is interesting but not the point. Where is the delusion and lunacy in pointing out his racism?

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By: dave heasman http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/05/tinfoil-of-the-day/#comment-3602 Thu, 05 May 2005 18:36:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1045#comment-3602 " read a discussion about a Democrat senator’s use of the filibuster to try to thwart the Civil Rights Act …"

Oi Bish, hand in your crozier. Until 1968 the Democrats in the south were unreconstructed racist filth by & large. Then Nixon with his Southern Strategy got them all to become Republicans, which before then had been prod to be "the Party of Lincoln".
It boils down to anyone trying to equate Democrats in the South before 1968 to Democrats in New England now is deliberately trying to deceive. Is that you?

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By: Bishop Hill http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/05/tinfoil-of-the-day/#comment-3600 Thu, 05 May 2005 15:08:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1045#comment-3600 Gregg

Am I missing something? I just read a discussion about a Democrat senator’s use of the filibuster to try to thwart the Civil Rights Act should have been brought up when celebrating his use of the same technique to thwart appointment of conservatives to the Supreme Court.

How is that delusion or lunacy?

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By: N.I.B. http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/05/tinfoil-of-the-day/#comment-3596 Thu, 05 May 2005 12:20:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1045#comment-3596 Wouldn’t it be great to have a time machine – we could swap that cowardy custard with someone who was living in London back when it was being bombed to smithereens in World War 2. Or if he can’t hack that, when it was being bombed in the 70s and 80s. Or any time in the 60s, 70s and 80s, when we all expecting to be burned to a crisp in a nuclear holocaust? Maybe around the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis, or perhaps Kennedy’s assasination would do the trick.

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By: Gregg http://sbbs.johnband.org/2005/05/tinfoil-of-the-day/#comment-3594 Thu, 05 May 2005 11:36:00 +0000 http://sbbs.johnband.org/?p=1045#comment-3594 Why single-out just the one quote? The whole comments thread, in fact that whole site, is a litany of lunacy and delusion wrapped in tinfoil.

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