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By: chris

chris — Mon, 07 Mar 2005 06:15:00 +0000

Gene, why is it a "canard" to describe Isreal as a largely colonial society. Surely a majority of Israelis descend from people who migrated there during the 20th century. That makes them colonists in my book, like Americans, Australians and any number of others. There’s nothing necessarily derogatory in the term, although John’s point probably has a lot of truth in it.

By: john b

john b — Sat, 05 Mar 2005 23:41:00 +0000

While I’m aware that a large proportion of the Israeli population is made up of Jews who would be classed as ‘Arabic’ or ‘black’ rather than ‘white’, it’s also fair to say that most of the politicians who are strongly associated with Israel look ‘white’ (eg Sharon, Barak, Rabin, Shamir).

By: Gene

Gene — Sat, 05 Mar 2005 19:54:00 +0000

Leaving aside the old "colonial" canard, where do you get the idea that Israelis are "white people"? Most Israelis don’t look particularly "white" to me.

By: dsquared

dsquared — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:18:00 +0000

I’d also point out that there are both expatriate South Africans and expatriate Israelis (and non-Israeli Jews) in this country who are prominent in the media; many of them led and lead public opposition to the domestic policies of the state which they know about. Therefore, it’s not surprising that we hear much more about Israel and South Africa. I even have a test case for this; Togo and Equatorial Guinea are every bit as horrible as Zimbabwe, but which one do we hear about?

By: Jarndyce

Jarndyce — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 07:09:00 +0000

I think there are a couple more factors at work. First, it’s an inbuilt racism thing: we automatically expect ‘white people’ like Israelis and S. Africans to conduct themselves ‘properly’, and hence are surprised and outraged when they don’t. Another tin-pot black African dictator or Arab despot just confirms our expectations, so we barely pass comment. Second, I think it’s a ‘democratic values’ thing. When a country calls itself a democracy, it is setting itself up to be measured against the highest standards. There’s far more room for failure and hence criticism. When a president like Bush eulogises at every opportunity about ‘freedom’, he’s asking to have every nook and cranny of his system peered into to see if the rhetoric matches the reality. Often it won’t. We expect a little less from less ‘vocal’ democracies like France and Old Europe, and hence complain a little less. We expect nothing of tyrants so hardly notice when that’s what they deliver. I’m not saying this is how it ought to be, just that’s how I think it is.